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		<title>Comment on Richard Roberts Announces &#8220;New Level&#8221; of Being Drunk in the Spirit by Moon</title>
		<link>http://blog.andy-walters.com/2012/01/25/richard-roberts-announces-new-level-of-being-drunk-in-the-spirit/comment-page-1/#comment-1600</link>
		<dc:creator>Moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a graduate of Crazy Man University and an atheist on a similar journey, may I raise a glass of grape juice to the Year of the Spirits. Thanks, Andy. I would have liked to have known you while you were a student there. I look forward to reading the rest of your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a graduate of Crazy Man University and an atheist on a similar journey, may I raise a glass of grape juice to the Year of the Spirits. Thanks, Andy. I would have liked to have known you while you were a student there. I look forward to reading the rest of your blog.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can Atheism Support Objective Morality? by Jimmy Crabb</title>
		<link>http://blog.andy-walters.com/2010/06/18/can-atheism-support-objective-morality/comment-page-1/#comment-1576</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy Crabb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 21:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get it. Really, I don&#039;t get it...</description>
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		<title>Comment on Richard Roberts Announces &#8220;New Level&#8221; of Being Drunk in the Spirit by Rachel</title>
		<link>http://blog.andy-walters.com/2012/01/25/richard-roberts-announces-new-level-of-being-drunk-in-the-spirit/comment-page-1/#comment-1473</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this true?  Just wondering.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Richard Roberts Announces &#8220;New Level&#8221; of Being Drunk in the Spirit by Esther Spears</title>
		<link>http://blog.andy-walters.com/2012/01/25/richard-roberts-announces-new-level-of-being-drunk-in-the-spirit/comment-page-1/#comment-1471</link>
		<dc:creator>Esther Spears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 01:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! This is the best thing since Ted Haggard.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Richard Roberts Announces &#8220;New Level&#8221; of Being Drunk in the Spirit by Andy Walters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Walters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 20:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, the LORD spaketh wisely, Sam.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Richard Roberts Announces &#8220;New Level&#8221; of Being Drunk in the Spirit by Sam Downing</title>
		<link>http://blog.andy-walters.com/2012/01/25/richard-roberts-announces-new-level-of-being-drunk-in-the-spirit/comment-page-1/#comment-1469</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Downing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 20:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The LORD spake unto me and said, &quot;Behold, inform my former servant Andy Walters that he should serve penance for his many blasphemies and buy drinks for his Denver friends the next time he doth sojourn to that city.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The LORD spake unto me and said, &#8220;Behold, inform my former servant Andy Walters that he should serve penance for his many blasphemies and buy drinks for his Denver friends the next time he doth sojourn to that city.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Emergency Snow Guidelines for Seattle by Mom</title>
		<link>http://blog.andy-walters.com/2012/01/22/emergency-snow-guidelines-for-seattle/comment-page-1/#comment-1468</link>
		<dc:creator>Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 05:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great ideas! FYI, they don&#039;t shovel the sidewalks in Fairbanks too much either.  Maybe they figure everyone is used to it or wearing snow boots :)</description>
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		<title>Comment on A Few Words in Favor of Natural over Supernatural Explanations by Nick Wallace</title>
		<link>http://blog.andy-walters.com/2011/03/05/a-few-words-in-favor-of-natural-explanations/comment-page-1/#comment-1436</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy.  First, thanks for the clarification. I’m sure if I finished reading some of your other blogs it would of most certainly stated what you just said but thanks for taking the extra time to outline it for me anyways.  Second, I apologize in advance for being so long winded, but unfortunately I don’t know how to do it any other way.   

Well, with that being said…

WHERE  IN  THE  HEAVENS  ARE  WE  FROM
———— Are there no facts and proof for the existence of God?
This is how I would frame the discussion… when a tree falls in the forest does it make a noise if nothing is there to hear it?  Obviously yes and lame analogy but none the less, with nothing to prove it, one would be left with the powers of deduction alone as their case.  In science and philosophy deductive reasoning is taught as a scientific method for validating or invalidating facts.  Einstein coined the vary process of elimination and simplification through his “thought experiments,” which led to the Theory of Relativity.
So for the topic of GOD or NO GOD, lets take the same simple process of elimination.
If someone came up to me and said “do you want a billion dollars you idiot,” I really do not believe too many of us would waste a minute on the insults but instead cut straight to the weightier matter – which is how do I get a billion dollars?
OR
If a man came up to me and asked, “what do you want to wear before I kill you?”  Again, the question would not be “what should I wear” but would be “why do you want to kill me?” That cuts straight to the heart of the matter and addresses the point that ones life depends on.
Now lets apply these principles to the question of God vs. No God.  Hitchens, Dawkins and others alike do a great job at defining many of the variables of such a question –whether God is good, picking apart the flaws of religion and even addressing evolution opposed to the creation account, but have little advice or evidence that would firmly establish there is no God.  They do hit attributing factors, but appear to be more caught up in the insults of history and thereby ignore the direct question.  One can come to the conclusion that God is not good, but still be left with the question, is there a God?
I really believe the origin of the universe is that billion-dollar question and is the constant we are looking for that would likely wash out many of the variables.  If there were another option for origin then there would be no need for God.
So, at the birth of our universe whether you believe in the Big Bang, Evolution, creation or some combination of all three you are still stuck with the question of what started it all.
For the Big Bang, can nothing collide into nothing and explode, creating what we have now? For Evolution, where did the first organism come from that began the evolutionary process?  In other words, can something evolve from nothing?” Or if some other life form started ours, what started there’s?  Can Evolution, the Big Bang or other intelligent life be responsible for Origin, which by definition precedes their vary existence?  With all three hypotheses you are still left with no answer for origin, yet we treat them as if they are.
With the method of deductive reasoning and with the facts at hand and projected to come, one is still left with the answer, no.  Evolution and the Big Bang could be the direct outcome of the origin of our universe but they cannot reasonably or factually account for the creation of it.
It is odd to me that in this discussion – the powers of reason only leave us with faith as an option. We have no evidence and no observations that even remotely lead us to discovering an answer for origin so we are left with our imaginations as the answer.  So, even in humanity’s finest efforts we are still left with believing in something we cannot see.
I would even be so bold to suggest that Agnosticism and Atheism require even more faith.  At least God gives us a reasonable explanation for origin while the others leave us with the option of waiting another 1000 years before hoping to find something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy.  First, thanks for the clarification. I’m sure if I finished reading some of your other blogs it would of most certainly stated what you just said but thanks for taking the extra time to outline it for me anyways.  Second, I apologize in advance for being so long winded, but unfortunately I don’t know how to do it any other way.   </p>
<p>Well, with that being said…</p>
<p>WHERE  IN  THE  HEAVENS  ARE  WE  FROM<br />
———— Are there no facts and proof for the existence of God?<br />
This is how I would frame the discussion… when a tree falls in the forest does it make a noise if nothing is there to hear it?  Obviously yes and lame analogy but none the less, with nothing to prove it, one would be left with the powers of deduction alone as their case.  In science and philosophy deductive reasoning is taught as a scientific method for validating or invalidating facts.  Einstein coined the vary process of elimination and simplification through his “thought experiments,” which led to the Theory of Relativity.<br />
So for the topic of GOD or NO GOD, lets take the same simple process of elimination.<br />
If someone came up to me and said “do you want a billion dollars you idiot,” I really do not believe too many of us would waste a minute on the insults but instead cut straight to the weightier matter – which is how do I get a billion dollars?<br />
OR<br />
If a man came up to me and asked, “what do you want to wear before I kill you?”  Again, the question would not be “what should I wear” but would be “why do you want to kill me?” That cuts straight to the heart of the matter and addresses the point that ones life depends on.<br />
Now lets apply these principles to the question of God vs. No God.  Hitchens, Dawkins and others alike do a great job at defining many of the variables of such a question –whether God is good, picking apart the flaws of religion and even addressing evolution opposed to the creation account, but have little advice or evidence that would firmly establish there is no God.  They do hit attributing factors, but appear to be more caught up in the insults of history and thereby ignore the direct question.  One can come to the conclusion that God is not good, but still be left with the question, is there a God?<br />
I really believe the origin of the universe is that billion-dollar question and is the constant we are looking for that would likely wash out many of the variables.  If there were another option for origin then there would be no need for God.<br />
So, at the birth of our universe whether you believe in the Big Bang, Evolution, creation or some combination of all three you are still stuck with the question of what started it all.<br />
For the Big Bang, can nothing collide into nothing and explode, creating what we have now? For Evolution, where did the first organism come from that began the evolutionary process?  In other words, can something evolve from nothing?” Or if some other life form started ours, what started there’s?  Can Evolution, the Big Bang or other intelligent life be responsible for Origin, which by definition precedes their vary existence?  With all three hypotheses you are still left with no answer for origin, yet we treat them as if they are.<br />
With the method of deductive reasoning and with the facts at hand and projected to come, one is still left with the answer, no.  Evolution and the Big Bang could be the direct outcome of the origin of our universe but they cannot reasonably or factually account for the creation of it.<br />
It is odd to me that in this discussion – the powers of reason only leave us with faith as an option. We have no evidence and no observations that even remotely lead us to discovering an answer for origin so we are left with our imaginations as the answer.  So, even in humanity’s finest efforts we are still left with believing in something we cannot see.<br />
I would even be so bold to suggest that Agnosticism and Atheism require even more faith.  At least God gives us a reasonable explanation for origin while the others leave us with the option of waiting another 1000 years before hoping to find something.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Few Words in Favor of Natural over Supernatural Explanations by Andy Walters</title>
		<link>http://blog.andy-walters.com/2011/03/05/a-few-words-in-favor-of-natural-explanations/comment-page-1/#comment-1433</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Walters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 05:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick, you raise many important questions in your comments, all of which I cannot respond to here.  But I&#039;d like to respond to what I take to be their upshot, namely asking how, in light of the fact that we know so little about the universe, we can be certain of our beliefs about the unknown and the supernatural.

First off, I&#039;d like to say that my position about God is not that I know he (it) doesn&#039;t exist; instead it&#039;s that I don&#039;t think there are any good reasons to believe God exists.  This position, by my lights, is not incompatible with our incomplete understanding of the universe because it  merely maintains that given the examination we&#039;ve made so far, so far we haven&#039;t discovered any good reasons for thinking God exists.  The burden of proof would seem to be on folks such as yourself, who presumably believe in a deity, to show the evidence for thinking such a being exists.

So then, when you ask &quot;why do we ignore the possibility of God just because we can&#039;t prove it outside of human testimony and experience&quot;, the answer is that we don&#039;t.  God may well exist and we just haven&#039;t found him; for my part that doesn&#039;t bother me.  Life on other planets might exist too, but until it is found I&#039;m prepared to say I don&#039;t have a good reason to think it exists.

It is the contention of atheists like myself that when we use the best tools we have for finding out what things are true, we just don&#039;t find any good reasons to think God exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, you raise many important questions in your comments, all of which I cannot respond to here.  But I&#8217;d like to respond to what I take to be their upshot, namely asking how, in light of the fact that we know so little about the universe, we can be certain of our beliefs about the unknown and the supernatural.</p>
<p>First off, I&#8217;d like to say that my position about God is not that I know he (it) doesn&#8217;t exist; instead it&#8217;s that I don&#8217;t think there are any good reasons to believe God exists.  This position, by my lights, is not incompatible with our incomplete understanding of the universe because it  merely maintains that given the examination we&#8217;ve made so far, so far we haven&#8217;t discovered any good reasons for thinking God exists.  The burden of proof would seem to be on folks such as yourself, who presumably believe in a deity, to show the evidence for thinking such a being exists.</p>
<p>So then, when you ask &#8220;why do we ignore the possibility of God just because we can&#8217;t prove it outside of human testimony and experience&#8221;, the answer is that we don&#8217;t.  God may well exist and we just haven&#8217;t found him; for my part that doesn&#8217;t bother me.  Life on other planets might exist too, but until it is found I&#8217;m prepared to say I don&#8217;t have a good reason to think it exists.</p>
<p>It is the contention of atheists like myself that when we use the best tools we have for finding out what things are true, we just don&#8217;t find any good reasons to think God exists.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Philosophy of Emoticons: A Serious Look at an Unserious Phenomenon by peter</title>
		<link>http://blog.andy-walters.com/2011/12/11/the-philosophy-of-emoticons/comment-page-1/#comment-1432</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 01:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found your choice to include Whorfianism in this discussion somewhat counterproductive.  The introduction of new expressions--like emoticons--directly counters the S-W hypothesis, because it suggests that we don&#039;t have enough words to express ourselves.  So rather than gradually conforming to our language, we are making our language gradually conform to us: opposite motions along the same dynamic.

Also, I think you miss two critical points.  First, emoticons are a way of escaping the heightened formalism of the electronic medium, which forces us to express ourselves in a given font with very limited images to use in normal discourse.  Second, emoticons overcome the barrier of language differences--and, as such, they are also highly cultural (observe the emoticons from Russia and different parts of Asia).

Interesting thoughts, though.  Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found your choice to include Whorfianism in this discussion somewhat counterproductive.  The introduction of new expressions&#8211;like emoticons&#8211;directly counters the S-W hypothesis, because it suggests that we don&#8217;t have enough words to express ourselves.  So rather than gradually conforming to our language, we are making our language gradually conform to us: opposite motions along the same dynamic.</p>
<p>Also, I think you miss two critical points.  First, emoticons are a way of escaping the heightened formalism of the electronic medium, which forces us to express ourselves in a given font with very limited images to use in normal discourse.  Second, emoticons overcome the barrier of language differences&#8211;and, as such, they are also highly cultural (observe the emoticons from Russia and different parts of Asia).</p>
<p>Interesting thoughts, though.  Cheers!</p>
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